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Border Wars Rifle Series / Re: WTB - Spot at 5.12.18 Rush Lake Match
« Last post by Racegunnr on Yesterday at 06:39:03 PM »
My plans have changed. PM'd you.
Optics / Re: Anybody ever used these scopes in a competition?
« Last post by gconnoyer on Yesterday at 11:31:33 AM »
Hi all, having never competed before, but having lots of knowledge of all the different scope brands and scope models out there.  I have what I believe to be a good question.  But first off......
...I have no idea how people afford S&B scopes or Kahles, ect. without taking out a second mortgage or having a spouse that makes more money than I do.  and I WILL NOT use a Vortex Brand optic...ever.  for reason of their quality control. you have to have a zero stop on your optic to be completely effective?
Anybody ever use these scopes in comps....
Sightron sIII 24x ------------------seems to be a bad ass optic but no zero stop
Trijicon accupoint 20x with turrets----- seems to be and excellent optic but no zero stop and limited elevation.

I can get Bushnell DMR 2 cheap, burris xtr IIs cheap......

Save up, credit cards, etc... Its alot cheaper to buy it once, rather than to start off with a $500 scope, then upgrade to a $1000 scope, then $1500, then $2500. Don't waste money "financing" good glass. Buy once, cry once.

As far as the 24x and 20x scopes, I'm going to assume you're talking about PRS type shooting. It would be very hard to compete with a fixed power scope at that magnification. 90% of stages and shooters are probably between 10x and 14x. A few prone, long range stages you may use that 20-25x but generally you're going to be well under that.

I would use the Bushnell DMR2 over the XTR2. Better glass and reticle IMO.
But both are solid scopes. I had an XTR2 and sold it because the glass quality was so terrible.
Introduce Yourself / Re: New Guy from Virginia
« Last post by kponce776 on Yesterday at 10:25:28 AM »
Oh I definitely know people that are very involved with the sport drive much further. But as far as getting into it competitively that's what has held me back for now.

my strategy is to work on my basics while shooting on my own then perhaps one day sign up for a match.

Anyways, no I'm on Sigtalk.

thanks for the tip on inserting an image.

i also just noticed a lot of the sub-forums haven't had posts in 1-2 years?!  are there not many active people on here?
Border Wars Rifle Series / Re: Lodi April 21st match details???
« Last post by Jeff M on April 19, 2018, 09:19:41 PM »
No problem man.  Good luck!
Introduce Yourself / Re: New Guy from Virginia
« Last post by Jeff M on April 19, 2018, 09:17:56 PM »

4+ hours?!  LOL  If I lived that close to a national level match, I'd be at every single one of them.  Closest ones to me have been 10+ hours.  There's one this year that's about 5 hours away for the first time ever, but I already had a match scheduled that weekend that's 14 hours away.  LOL

Sigforum?  :D

Pics - host them somewhere, and then use the insert image button.  It looks like the world's tiniest Mona Lisa, under the B button on the upper left.

As for advertising, yes, there are rules, but if you're interested, shoot me a PM.  It's very reasonable.
Border Wars Rifle Series / Re: Lodi April 21st match details???
« Last post by Eric on April 19, 2018, 05:29:48 PM »
Thanks for the info Jeff!

Introduce Yourself / New Guy from Virginia
« Last post by kponce776 on April 19, 2018, 08:32:42 AM »
Stopping in to introduce myself.

My name is Kyle, from Woodford Virginia. I am not a competitive shooter at the moment. Mostly due to the fact I haven't been willing to travel the 4+ hours to the nearest PRS style matches I've found. I am just a recreational weekend shooter and am fortunate to have access to a farm that I can shoot out to 1,000 yards. I currently shoot a Savage 10 .308 20" in a XLR chassis with a vortex hst 6-24x50.
It's my first "precision" bolt gun and it's serving me well given the relative small amount of money I've put into it. I am also putting together a .224v semiauto but waiting for a barrel in the desired twist so it's a slow process.

Anyways, I've been an active member on a sig sauer forum for years and I enjoy it but there isn't nearly enough information regarding long guns or precision shooting over there so I decided to join here.

I am also in the process of starting a rental company that rents scopes and ar uppers. I am not advertising for it since there are probably rules regarding vendors on this forum.

See you around!

PS. what is the ideal way to post pictures here?
Border Wars Rifle Series / Re: Lodi April 21st match details???
« Last post by Jeff M on April 18, 2018, 09:33:13 PM »
Hello shooters,

We are less than two weeks out from our first Wisconsin match of the year. If you have not been to Winnequah Gun Club, you are in for a treat!

We are located approximately 30 minutes north of Madison, just north of Lodi, Wisconsin. If you are looking for a hotel, the closest is a Quality Inn and Suites about ten minutes away on I-90 and Hwy 60. Other spots with hotels nearby are Baraboo, Sauk City, and Deforest.

Please enter the range via the north entrance off Hwy V. You’ll enter the indoor range parking lot and turn to your right. Follow that road all the way until you see a covered picnic area and parking lot. You can’t miss it.


Gates will be open by 0700. Check in and self-squad will be from 0730-8000. Mandatory shooter meeting at 8:15 and we hope to have rounds downrange by 0815. You will not be able to drive your cars all the way to the shooting lines – so be prepared to haul gear up to 500 yards.

We will shoot 9 stages with a round count of 87. We are currently planning on shooting our first stage at 1150 yards, so be sure you have DOPE out to that distance. Pack your own lunch, we are usually done with shooting around 2pm and have prizes awarded not long after that.

I am looking for additional volunteers to help with the match, but more than likely this will be a self-help match meaning you will help score and spot for people in your group. If you have a tripod with spotting scope / binos please consider bringing them. Please pass this info on to anyone interested in volunteering. We will set up the stages on Friday, and anyone who wants to help us run the match Saturday can shoot the stages for fun Friday.

It’s still two weeks out but the forecast calls for rain. We will shoot rain or shine, so long as it is safe to do so (no lightning). We have MagnetoSpeed target hit indicator lights on all our long range targets, so we should be set. If for some reason the weather makes shooting certain stages impossible, we will modify the match accordingly.

We will run a cold range. Rifles must be unloaded, magazine out, bolt open with chamber flag when not in use. Shooters will not remove chamber flags or load rifles until directed to do so by the RO.

Shooters must be on the target berm before charging a round. “Skyloading” violations will receive a warning. Multiple violations will result in match DQ. Any rounds which leave the range will result in a stoppage of shooting and a match DQ.

When moving from position to position, even if only on the same barricade, bolts will be open and again, closed once the shooter has reasonably acquired their target. Semi-auto rifles must be switched to safe and the shooter must announce “safe” when moving to a different position. Warnings will be given by the range officer for violations. Repeated violations will result in match DQ.

Please review additional safety information on our website at under “information.”

This is a full prize table BWRS match. Awards will be given out at the stat shack near the 1000 yard firing line (same place we will meet in the morning).

See for complete rules

3200 fps is the maximum muzzle velocity allowed for this event (to keep our steel intact).
Typical calibers are .308, 6.5mm Creedmoor, .260 Remington, 6mm Creedmore, 6.5x47 Lapua, 6x47 Lapua, 6mm Dasher.

Most magnums are NOT allowed (for instance, .338 Lapua, .300 WinMag and 7mm Rem Magnum are not allowed ). As a guide, 3000 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle (with or without muzzle brake) is the maximum reasonable load for the comfort and safety of shooters on the platform next to you in a confined area. If you are running more than about 55 grains of powder, you may not be allowed to shoot some of the stages where shooters are tightly pack on a platform or narrow shooting area, or the shorter stages where damage to target hangers is likely.

If you have questions about a load, contact us for a determination well before the match. We reserve the right to disqualify any load that may cause damage to the steel, stands, or injury to participants.

No tripods or shooting sticks for rear support.

Contact match director, Adrian Alan at


Border Wars Rifle Series / Lodi April 21st match details???
« Last post by Eric on April 18, 2018, 06:38:11 PM »
Has anyone got details for this match?  I'm looking for range address, check in schedule, etc.  Basically the info that the match director usually sends out to attendees.  I bought a spot for the match from someone who can't make it so I assume I'm just not on the email list that got this info.  I tried emailing the MD a few days ago but havn't had luck getting a response yet. 

Border Wars Rifle Series / for sale lodi wi 4/21
« Last post by dave becker on April 18, 2018, 06:27:32 PM »
due to a family emergency i will not be able to make the match in lodi wi 4/21
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