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Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« on: June 20, 2017, 01:58:07 PM »
 

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Hi all. New to the forum ans sure do appreciate everyone willing to help. I appologize in advance as I'm sure this question has been repeated many times over. I want to get into precision shooting with the thoight of competition later on. The tikka's and sako really intrigue me. I want to start with 6.5 creedmoor. I was thinking of starting off with an a7 long range in the sako or a t3 in the tikka with thoughts of upgrading either at a later date once I build the skills and knowledge. What are your thoughts, and how do you go about picking a smith to customize later on?
 

Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2017, 07:50:46 AM »
 

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To get started, pick a rifle and shoot the shit out of it.

As for finding a Smith to "customize" it..  Neither of those rifles are really what you want. 99% of the rifles that play this game are some type of 700 clone (with the other 1% being AIs).  Sure, there's the rpr and other recent factory offerings, but until I see a guy win a match with one, they're nothing more than a footnote, wielded by amateurs playing in the pro ranks (much like myself lol).

If you want something to start with, like I said, pick anything and get shooting. If you want to get serious, don't sink any money into "customizing" a factory gun. Every time you have spare money, and you think about maybe buying a stock, or a trigger, or a whatever, stick that money in a jar. When you have enough to have something built with the purpose of playing the game, find a Smith and do it. "customizing" a factory gun is putting lipstick on a pig. I've seen me do it, and all it did was waste time and money.
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Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2017, 10:15:24 AM »
 

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Thanks for the wisdom Jeff. What are your thoughts on the savage model 12 long range precision or am I better off just going cheapest route to start? What are considerations to make when picking a rifle? Will there be running, transitions, etc or is it all bench/prone? Sure appreciate your help. I really don't know how to start. Are there books or other sources I should consult? So far I've just been reading everything I can find on it.
 

Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 10:14:49 PM »
 

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I think if your goal is PRS shooting, that won't get it done. The stock doesn't look very adjustable, and the barrel isn't threaded for a brake or a can (or didn't look like it in the pictures I saw).  If your budget is somewhere around a grand, look at the savage chassis gun (I forget the name) or the Tikka chassis gun or the rpr.  6.5 Creedmoor will be the most popular offering, but 243 can also do well, albeit with shorter barrel life.

As for what a match consists of, again, it depends on the game. If you're interested in PRS, hit the little globe icon under my name and read my blog. Read on here. But most importantly - go shoot a match! Even if it's not a PRS match, go find a local club match to go shoot and get your feet wet. I always urge guys to do this before they spend $5k on a gun because the truth of it is, it's not for everyone.  I have two buddies who LOVE shooting, and are both really good at it, but put them under constraint of a clock and their brains literally turn to shit. They hate it. They are perfectly content shooting benchrest & F-class style matches. PRS, not so much.  So see if you like it before you tie up the cost of a used car in it.
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Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 09:18:34 AM »
 

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As much as I dislike Remington 700s, they are probably the best option for a starter rifle.  Pick one up in .308 for now, practice with it, get to know it inside and out and shoot a few local matches.  Eventually you will either decide you like the PRS game or you don't.  At that point you can decide it you want to upgrade that rifle buy getting a new stock, new barrel and truing job or buy a high end custom or AI in one of the dozen or so competition calibers out there. 

I should have shot my old 700 Police for a year or two longer than I did.   

Also skip the magnum calibers if you're looking into PRS.  They're expensive and provide little to know ballistic benefits for the ranges we typically shoot at.
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Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 08:57:11 AM »
 

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I agree with almost everything these guys said, with one exception.  I've been through the "Budget 700 Build" years ago and there's a lot of truth in that.  Most rifles guys have a love/hate relationship with 700s. The only thing worth keeping is the action, and that still has to be trued. 

My wife wanted to start shooting with me so i had to buy her a rifle.  I only shoot customs now, but i didn't want to shell out the $3K for my wife to shoot twice then decide she'd rather do knitting or water color painting.  So, i bought her a RPR...this was 2015 BTW.  They had just came out and i heard good things.  The gun isn't particularly impressive holding it or working the action.  But the little bastard shoots.  Period.  Most, not all, but most groups are 1/4" at 100 and she has won a couple club matches shooting that damn gun.  Most of these new factory offerings like the RPR shoot very well and are sort of modular so you can upgrade them cheaply. 

LR shooting is very very very very very expensive.  You should dip your toe in before you dive in. 

And BTW, the rifle isn't nearly as important as the glass.  That's no fun but the reality.
   
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Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 09:29:56 PM »
 

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Sure do appreciate everyone's wisdom. Are any of you active with local ranges? I mean other than shooting at them of course . There isn't much for anything beyond 300 anywhere close other than public land. I had panned on doing the best with what I have, taking a class, learning ballistics, reloading all that good stuff. Also plan to try and get the local range to add a long distance area. At least 1000 yards. Was going to see about getting involved with that is why I ask. Fundraising, events, donations, anything I can do to help make it happen. Feel like the range locally doesn't appeal to many people my age. I'm 35 and not new to shooting by any means, but i've never shot a competition before. I sure plan on changing that. Want to do all kinda but PRS sure has my interest at the moment. I just really want to get involved more than anything. Thanks again


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Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 04:00:44 PM »
 

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Sure do appreciate everyone's wisdom. Are any of you active with local ranges? I mean other than shooting at them of course . There isn't much for anything beyond 300 anywhere close other than public land. I had panned on doing the best with what I have, taking a class, learning ballistics, reloading all that good stuff. Also plan to try and get the local range to add a long distance area. At least 1000 yards. Was going to see about getting involved with that is why I ask. Fundraising, events, donations, anything I can do to help make it happen. Feel like the range locally doesn't appeal to many people my age. I'm 35 and not new to shooting by any means, but i've never shot a competition before. I sure plan on changing that. Want to do all kinda but PRS sure has my interest at the moment. I just really want to get involved more than anything. Thanks again


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I'm in contact with the police department that runs the range I frequent the most.  I donate any steel targets I happen to win at matches or receive in goodie bags to the range.  That's about it.
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Re: Newbie here looking for help on first precision rifle
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 06:45:32 PM »
 

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Same suggestion above, except maybe try a Tikka T3. Get the tactical and you already have a 20MOA rail. Wait for a sale and get good glass, spend the same amount or more on glass that you spent on the Tikka. If you like it, that Tikka is gonna be real awesome on a KRG Xray or W3 chassis!


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