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The Arms Race
« on: September 10, 2017, 11:23:45 AM »
 

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Is else starting to notice or feel like the "PRS" style or Practical Precision Rifle matches are starting to become more of an arms or gear race rather than practical skills game?

If so, do you think it should be limited?  How should it be limited?  Who should limit it?

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Re: The Arms Race
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 07:21:57 PM »
 

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Not an arms race, but definitely a gear race.

And no, no limits. If you can hump it, you can use it.  Those are the rules for hunting, for fighting, for anything else. I see no reason to artificially limit ingenuity by limiting gear.
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Re: The Arms Race
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2017, 12:33:36 PM »
 

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It may seem that way, but if you come from a different shooting background it very well may not. 

Think of all the new hunting products that debut every single year, and how large the American market and apatite is for whatever new fangled doe piss comes out?  I'm certainly not saying I'm above it (though I have hunted in the snow wearing jeans and a barn jacket!), but it's almost more to make people happy spending their money than to actually have a significant impact of whatever they're shooting.   

I think it's simply a function of our competitive nature, and our normal and innate desire to find success in a bottle.  We change our hand loading procedures and/or get better equipment to wring every last .1mil out of our rifles, and to me that is part of long range shooting, and a very pleasant and enjoyable part!  As to whether a gadget supplies a more stable position than a certain bag set a certain way is sort of a matter of opinion or at least style.  Sure, some stuff works.  Other stuff doesn't.  I think it's kind of cool how innovative PRS shooters are.  I like that people want to win.     

That said, talk to the top shooters, and they'll tell you to forget the new gadget or new cartridge and to practice shooting in the wind more.  The nature of the sport is going to keep it the marksman IMHO.  Unless the rifle is aiming itself gear won't win matches. 

If your goal is to eliminate gear that wouldn't "change" the sport, but would probably lower scores then get rid of Kestrals, rangefinders, and computers, and make shooters rely on their experience, DOPE, and intuition more; make conditions more of a guess and less of a measurement.  Make marksmen do the math.  These gadgets are widely available and they work well.  There is no question in my mind they improve scores.  Take them away and you're adding a bunch of skill sets that these allow many shooters to ignore or allow to atrophy.             

What attracts me to tactical steel/PRS type shooting is that it is a combination, and as long as you mix it up and keep innovating on the stages it's a positive or rather beneficial arms race that will never end.  We increase our accuracy through practice and training, and increasing our precision through meticulous hand loading and equipment that allows a faster/better position. 

It's both, but we are not anywhere close, not even in the same state, where the most precise rifle, gadget, or ammunition is going to trump the accuracy of the marksman.  The difference between what a master can do with a minute rifle, and a novice can do with a third minute rifle is vast and unbridgeable through gear, and if that changes it probably won't be in our lifetimes...IMHO.     
 

Re: The Arms Race
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 11:33:09 AM »
 

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Not an arms race, but definitely a gear race.

And no, no limits. If you can hump it, you can use it.  Those are the rules for hunting, for fighting, for anything else. I see no reason to artificially limit ingenuity by limiting gear.

I personally like matches where the time limit indirectly dictates the gear a competitor uses.  Most people can't set up 4 bags and a tripod on a 90 second stage.
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Re: The Arms Race
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 08:54:36 PM »
 

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Not an arms race, but definitely a gear race.

And no, no limits. If you can hump it, you can use it.  Those are the rules for hunting, for fighting, for anything else. I see no reason to artificially limit ingenuity by limiting gear.

I personally like matches where the time limit indirectly dictates the gear a competitor uses.  Most people can't set up 4 bags and a tripod on a 90 second stage.

I'm also a fan of that - but, to say that someone can't use a tripod & 4 bags because of time...  If your positional game is so weak that you would get off all your shits and get no points, or you use a tripod & 4 bags and get 3 points and time out, I'm going to recommend you take the gear every time.

Arms/gear race or no, there is still an INCREDIBLE mental aspect to the game that people just don't understand until they've actually pulled the trigger against a clock in a competition setting.
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